U-PIE

Newbie Joined: 29 Dec 2006 Posts: 5

Looks like voltaire has no interest in our group whatsoever. So good ridence to him.

Apprentice Joined: 26 Nov 2006 Posts: 93

I noticed some of his banners claims that DD was verified.
Also the lifetime of such program if it would be a scam/ponzi is closing in fast...

I'm in profit, but pulling out most the money I make more and more often now.

Be careful.

Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 6:03 pm

palal wrote:

Looks like voltaire has no interest in our group whatsoever. So good ridence to him.

Let us not be rude (with all due respect). He has not picked only our forum to be absent, I used to see him on several forums, and do not see him on any, of late. I can understand his point of view since I met with him. He really does feel that putting a face to the name carries more weight than papers which could be faked, very easily. And every time he does show up, he gets the same questions - where is the paperwork, since there is nothing else to ask as the program is running smoothly, payments are on time, etc.!! Smile

He has taken quite a beating on the paperwork issue.

Perhaps he could be busy. He does have a lot of funds - when the problems occurred in Jan, he had about 80 - 85K invested with him. That figure must have jumped quite a bit in the past couple of months.

I miss seeing the total deposits at the bottom of the old forum. It gave me a clear indication of growth, and since at the beginning, I myself accounted for 10 - 15% of the net program worth, I liked eying the fluctuations when I withdrew large amounts to make sure he was not tampering with the numbers. I have since withdrawn most of my capital, playing with pure profits.

Levaz

Newbie Joined: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 30

Hmmm, interestingly i found this comment posted on the "HYIP Investors' Club website" (http://hyip.4000webs.com), which seems to be run by john_robot - one of the UPIE forum mods.

I wonder if he knows something we don't or it's just bait... Wink

1 Feb. 2007
U-pie has enough profit to pay interest for this whole year. Admin said in management team meeting.

Investor Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Posts: 160

inspira wrote:

Hmmm, interestingly i found this comment posted on the "HYIP Investors' Club website" (http://hyip.4000webs.com), which seems to be run by john_robot - one of the UPIE forum mods.

I wonder if he knows something we don't or it's just bait... Wink

1 Feb. 2007
U-pie has enough profit to pay interest for this whole year. Admin said in management team meeting.

How could be that possible????
Meaning that we aren't paid the current return but a faked %

Apprentice Joined: 26 Nov 2006 Posts: 93

Gray Eminence wrote:

How could be that possible????
Meaning that we aren't paid the current return but a faked %

(theoretically speaking) I doubt that you will get the whole profit they make on our daily %... they also have to get some money for salaries and own profits. Wink

Investor Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Posts: 160

whizzer wrote:

Gray Eminence wrote:

How could be that possible????
Meaning that we aren't paid the current return but a faked %

(theoretically speaking) I doubt that you will get the whole profit they make on our daily %... they also have to get some money for salaries and own profits. Wink

At an average of 2% by day, this comments means Upie already secured 400% of the invested capital. Don't me me beleive that salary and their own profit are at that cost. In addition in the coming month they will do more profits too.

If you remove the costs from the profit, it's isn't a fake %.

But based on John Robot comments, they are giving us fake numbers.

The next question, is how could they produce so much money? PLaying lottery with a lot of luck? I don't beleive that safe trading can produce such return.

Apprentice Joined: 26 Nov 2006 Posts: 93

Sorry. I did not look at the numbers and was perhaps a bit fast on the comment (had a rough day today Embarassed

).

So it seems that the red flags are stacking up fast. Smile

Newbie Joined: 07 Oct 2006 Posts: 9

No need to fear, I’m here. And it looks like I am here at a good time considering all of the recent posts. I’m making the rounds around the forums today as I have been slacking off in that department for a few weeks. I hope I have summed up all of your questions below.

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Looks like voltaire has no interest in our group whatsoever. So good ridence to him.

Now that was a little rude. Good riddance? Perhaps that is why I don’t come around this part of the woods that often.

You have to remember that I don’t go around forums searching out members who have questions. I am far too busy with other things, so if you have a burning question or concern you can send it directly to me.

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Perhaps he could be busy. He does have a lot of funds - when the problems occurred in Jan, he had about 80 - 85K invested with him. That figure must have jumped quite a bit in the past couple of months.

I miss seeing the total deposits at the bottom of the old forum. It gave me a clear indication of growth, and since at the beginning, I myself accounted for 10 - 15% of the net program worth, I liked eying the fluctuations when I withdrew large amounts to make sure he was not tampering with the numbers.

The number has jumped up to $195,000

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1 Feb. 2007
U-pie has enough profit to pay interest for this whole year. Admin said in management team meeting.

I certainly don’t remember saying that in one of our management meetings. If I currently had 400% of your money I would have $800,000. If I had that I would pay everyone back double their investment and pocket the extra $400,000. John_robot is from China and the language difference must have caused a misunderstanding in one of our meetings. What I actually said in the meeting who knows but I can speculate that it may have been

- I have paid for the hosting for one year
- I have extended the domain name for one year
- I see stability in U-PIE for at least a year

Who knows!

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(theoretically speaking) I doubt that you will get the whole profit they make on our daily %... they also have to get some money for salaries and own profits.

That is correct.

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How long is this going to take do you think?

We have our forum back up at u-pie.biz if you haven’t noticed it.

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What I dont understand is that U-pie is employing members of the Internet community to deliberately spam public forums. I look at this 'worryabout' guy in TG. I'm sure he wears short skirts and chants out loud with poms poms in his hand “Go U-pie Go!!!” I cant see any of his posts that has interested me so far.

I understand your point of view on this matter but I am always up for a cheaper form of advertising. Talkgold advertising is very expensive, so whenever I can save a bit by using the forum as promotion it is always a good idea. Since 99% of the threads there are actually hiring people to post paid 20 times each day, I find that my single member who posts an update with the daily return is quite reasonable.

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Put enough pieces together and it is not hard to figure who Voltaire is. He's been confronted and he denies, of course. Has anyone figured out a way to nail the obvious repeat scammers littering the HYIP world?

That is a little harsh I don’t remember this discussion. Could you PM or e-mail me as I would like to clear this up. It may be a little disappointing that I haven’t provided proper DD yet but this goes a little far I would say.

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As always, treat with caution.

As always, good advice. You should treat any investment paying returns as high as U-PIE with caution.

Voltaire

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:32 pm

Hey Voltaire,

Good to see you after so long, we were beginning to wonder (as you can see) where you were.

Thank you for taking the time to address each issue; it is certainly very appreciated.

Meanwhile, we still wait for the DD.

Levaz

Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:40 am

Hi All

Any thoughts on this recent quote from DollarsBlog's website (he did turn out to be correct about JP-D, although he definitely suffers from a chronic lack of manners and tack):

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I’ll come out and join them in their little detective work and say who I am almost 100% sure who I believe it is. It’s U-Pie. A couple reasons is based on the description of the script being the only one following it to a T like Jp-daily and even similiar advertising tactic. Another reason why I can confidently say it is them that Richard was talking about is the person who helped me in figuring out Richards past scams that no one knew about tipped me off about this site. I started looking into it and I saw suspicious things (that id rather not say to tip off the scammers) that linked these two guys together as possible scammer team or at least knew each other in real life. I would get my money out of U-PIE A.S.A.P but it may be too late already.

source: http://dollarsblog.com/blog/?cat=3

cheers, Motu

Moderator Joined: 19 Sep 2006 Posts: 226

Location wise they are in two different countries (or continents). From what I understand Richard is now living in Spain while Voltaire is located in the US. Don't forget Voltaire did make a trip to Canada and met up with Levaz. I don't know if these two guys do actually know each other. However, in Richards last update he did mention that he know someone with a unique web script that is about to do a runner with our funds. Could this indeed be Upie? What you think Levaz ?

Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 7:49 am

Certainly makes me nervous. While I do not see any relation between the two, it could be anybody. Look at ERGO, they had a unique script, and they seem to have disappeared. So does Amity Funds ( a bit out of these guys league though).

Again, take heed, eventually ALL hyips either fail - for whatever reason!!

Levaz

Investor Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Posts: 160

d1ck0 wrote:

Location wise they are in two different countries (or continents). From what I understand Richard is now living in Spain while Voltaire is located in the US. Don't forget Voltaire did make a trip to Canada and met up with Levaz. I don't know if these two guys do actually know each other. However, in Richards last update he did mention that he know someone with a unique web script that is about to do a runner with our funds. Could this indeed be Upie? What you think Levaz ?

There is flights from Spain to Canada you know Wink

As long as the personal documens aren't presented anyway, you can only work on supositions

Newbie Joined: 19 Sep 2006 Posts: 8

With my experiences at FF, FLO, offshoreclub, and others in mind, I have decided to curtail my greed this time and withdraw my capital today. Perhaps I will miss a good run, but I am already well in profit, and with no proof of trading or realistic DD, this is feeling more and more like expanding new money paying out the old investors. That is both dangerous, and pulls at my sense of ethics.

Moderator Joined: 19 Sep 2006 Posts: 226

Gray Eminence wrote:

d1ck0 wrote:

Location wise they are in two different countries (or continents). From what I understand Richard is now living in Spain while Voltaire is located in the US. Don't forget Voltaire did make a trip to Canada and met up with Levaz. I don't know if these two guys do actually know each other. However, in Richards last update he did mention that he know someone with a unique web script that is about to do a runner with our funds. Could this indeed be Upie? What you think Levaz ?

There is flights from Spain to Canada you know Wink

As long as the personal documens aren't presented anyway, you can only work on supositions

There is of course the online community and the good fashioned telephone! Like me and Levaz, we have only met in hyip world sharing an interest in a certain program at the time but our friendship developed from there.

Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:40 pm

Voltaire will be making a statement about this scenario soon.

Levaz

Newbie Joined: 17 Jan 2007 Posts: 1

I doubt very much that Voltaire would come to the forum and respond to everyone's posts if he was about to close up shop.

I for one will be steying put and I'm looking forward to more information from Voltaire and his DD.

ciao

pegasusone

Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:29 pm

Pegasusone,

While Voltaire will appreciate your sentiment, I would still advise (and Voltaire very much agrees with me on this one), withdraw regularly, try and recoup your capital ASAP. Do not compound at 100%, it places too much pressure on the program. If everyone followed this few simple steps, we can exist very safely.

Levaz

Newbie Joined: 19 Sep 2006 Posts: 8

As stated above, I decided to withdraw all my funds from u-pie. In all fairness to Voltaire, I was paid immediately, and managed an over 250% return on my (small) investment. I will not re-invest in u-pie, but I wish you all continued success.

Newbie Joined: 16 Nov 2006 Posts: 12 Location: Jengka

Sound scaring... but I will be with upie to the end. Just invest the sum you effort to lose..thats all friends...anyway I like to hear upie DD will publish ASAP.

Newbie Joined: 27 Sep 2006 Posts: 16

I am a member for UPIE since mid november and they r seems to be best programme paying me regularly.

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:26 pm

I have a couple of withdrawals pending for a few days and expressed my concern to Voltaire. He replied that he is waiting for some exchanges which are (were) expected in the early part of this week.

Hopefully, it will come through soon.

Levaz

Newbie Joined: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 30

levaz wrote:

I have a couple of withdrawals pending for a few days and expressed my concern to Voltaire. He replied that he is waiting for some exchanges which are (were) expected in the early part of this week.

Hopefully, it will come through soon.

Levaz

Levaz, are these e-bullion withdrawals?

I know other members on the UPIE forum are waiting as well, but not sure which currency it is...

Anyways, pls keep us osted as always. Wink

Apprentice Joined: 24 Nov 2006 Posts: 98

I am waiting an e-gold withdrawl