LightHalzen, http://www.lighthalzen.biz

Newbie Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 3

You know after rereading this thread I'm not happy with ny membership here.

I thought a forum was a place to discuss HYIP's.

I know MMG is full of scammers but so is your scam folder here.

I've seen Globalprofits post around the net and I think he is an honest and sincere guy.

Yet after posting here he is called a scammer.

Insinuated that he was lying about being paid. (By the way that is the only reason I posted paid.)

And from what I hear around the net the admin here was one of the biggest losers at jpdaily.

How many of you followed him into that scam?

You can delete my membership as I have no desire to be a member any longer.

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 1:00 am

longfellaz wrote:

You know after rereading this thread I'm not happy with ny membership here.
I thought a forum was a place to discuss HYIP's.
I know MMG is full of scammers but so is your scam folder here.
I've seen Globalprofits post around the net and I think he is an honest and sincere guy.
Yet after posting here he is called a scammer.
Insinuated that he was lying about being paid. (By the way that is the only reason I posted paid.)
And from what I hear around the net the admin here was one of the biggest losers at jpdaily.
How many of you followed him into that scam?
You can delete my membership as I have no desire to be a member any longer.

Obviously, I deleted your very last post!

Sorry that you feel that way, longfellaz. Yes, forums are meant to discuss programs, posting "paid" daily until it eventually stops does not entail a discussion.
I have read this thread several times and could not really find anywhere where GP is called a scam.
Yes, I lost quite a bit with JPD, but please do read the relevant thread, and find out that we always advise our members to recover their capital, so in case of losses, they would not really have lost much. This is standard with any program no matter how risky or safe!
Good bye longfellaz.

Levaz

PS We will leave this thread here until it is time to move it.

Newbie Joined: 11 Mar 2007 Posts: 6

EDIT: You have been repeated asked not to do that

Lighthalzen Team

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Newbie Joined: 11 Mar 2007 Posts: 4

levaz wrote:

longfellaz wrote:

You know after rereading this thread I'm not happy with ny membership here.
I thought a forum was a place to discuss HYIP's.
I know MMG is full of scammers but so is your scam folder here.
I've seen Globalprofits post around the net and I think he is an honest and sincere guy.
Yet after posting here he is called a scammer.
Insinuated that he was lying about being paid. (By the way that is the only reason I posted paid.)
And from what I hear around the net the admin here was one of the biggest losers at jpdaily.
How many of you followed him into that scam?
You can delete my membership as I have no desire to be a member any longer.

Obviously, I deleted your very last post!

Sorry that you feel that way, longfellaz. Yes, forums are meant to discuss programs, posting "paid" daily until it eventually stops does not entail a discussion.
I have read this thread several times and could not really find anywhere where GP is called a scam.
Yes, I lost quite a bit with JPD, but please do read the relevant thread, and find out that we always advise our members to recover their capital, so in case of losses, they would not really have lost much. This is standard with any program no matter how risky or safe!
Good bye longfellaz.

Levaz

Thanks longfellaz,

Levaz you must not of read the thread very well if you think that i was not accused of trying to cheat or scam people and here are a couple of quotes:

Quote:

In spite of the previously posted, this program is a scam. FOR SURE.
I don't know the reasons of people posting doubts about that, although I can imagine easily...
Please, refrain from trying to cheat people here. Thanks

Quote:

which makes you no better than the scammer in my eyes.

This is the only Hyip that i am involved with and i am only involved with it because i know that the Admins of this program are not scamers and where the people in this thread have gone wrong is choosing the wrong words, fine you don't like Ponzi's / Hyip games that is fine but to just come straight out and label the program and Admin scam with out any real facts is and was wrong!

If you took the time to go through the history of the main Admin, lemon you will know that what he has been trying to create is a safe place for people that want to get involved in Hyips / Autosurfs, the first site that was 1800profit for life had some problems at the start but ended up going private and has been paying out monthly since November.

They have built this site with some great features to stop the HARS from destroying the program so that people are rewarded for re-investing either 50% or 100% every day.

So there aim is to have the program run for long enough for all members to end in profit.

So i am sorry for my first post but it did touch a nerve so to speak as i have been very active with these two guys and know that they are the real deal.

All the best

GP

Apprentice Joined: 24 Nov 2006 Posts: 98

I should admit that scam could not be the most accurate word here because they don't claim to be making profits anywhere. But also they say nothing about the fact that lot of people will lose money... I would change my words a little:
This program is a PONZI. It means that people take profits from the capital of others and eventually the program will stop paying, and people who did the last investments will lose money. Neither the admin nor the referal hunters, just the investors. In other words: if somebody wins 50$ is because someone else lost 50$. And people encouraging others to join the program do that to obtain profits from the capital of the new investors. And this new investor could be anybody...

So, I would like to apologize about the word scam. This program is "only" a PONZI.

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 3:40 pm

Globalprofits wrote:

Thanks longfellaz,
Levaz you must not read the thread very well if you think that i was not accused of trying to cheat or scam people and here are a couple of quotes:

Quote:

In spite of the previously posted, this program is a scam. FOR SURE.
I don't know the reasons of people posting doubts about that, although I can imagine easily...
Please, refrain from trying to cheat people here. Thanks

The program was specifically referred to as a scam, not you. As for the cheating, there was no accusation, just a request (albeit curt) to refrain from nefarious activities.

Quote:

which makes you no better than the scammer in my eyes.

This one can be read both ways - OK. I will apologize for that on behalf of the member.

Quote:

This is the only Hyip that i am involved with and i am only involved with it because i know that the Admins of this program are not scamers and where the people in this thread have gone wrong is choosing the wrong words, fine you don't like Ponzi's / Hyip games that is fine but to just come straight out and label the program and Admin scam with out any real facts is and was wrong!
If you took the time to go through the history of the main Admin, lemon you will know that what he has been trying to create is a safe place for people that want to get involved in Hyips / Autosurfs, the first site that was 1800profit for life had some problems at the start but ended up going private and has been paying out monthly since November.
They have built this site with some great features to stop the HARS from destroying the program so that people are rewarded for re-investing either 50% or 100% every day.
So there aim is to have the program run for long enough for all members to end in profit.
So i am sorry for my first post but it did touch a nerve so to speak as i have been very active with these two guys and know that they are the real deal.
All the best
GP

We are trying desperately to avoid Ponzi's, and we do not even discuss A/Surf's here. The way the program is set up does not encourage people to withdraw, rather to invest more or reinvest the returns.

If they can demonstrate proof of income, we will gladly retract our "biased" decision. Alternatively, if they are still around a year form today, we will also rescind our statements. It will be a first (there is a first time for everything!!). However, you must admit that the history of MMG based programs does not bode well for the masses.

Please bear in mind, there is no animosity here. We are glad that you introduced a program, and one that is paying. Members here are free to experiment. And of course, you and I are entitled to our opinions.

As for your personal acquaintance with the program Admin, is that strictly an on-line acquaintance or do you actually meet with him/her physically?

In hoping that we are being (relatively) fair to your concerns, we remain,

with kind regards

Levaz

Apprentice Joined: 26 Nov 2006 Posts: 93

What I said was that if you know the profit you make is on the expense of other investors, you are no better then the scammer in my eyes.

I never said that you where a scammer, did I?

I believe the definition of 'qoute' is:

Quote:

To quote is to repeat something from another source without changing it (see also: paraphrase).

So next time don't manufacture your quotes to suite your accusations.

And as a side note, ponzi's are scams, so it doesn't matter if you call it ponzi or scam.

Newbie Joined: 11 Mar 2007 Posts: 4

whizzer wrote:

What I said was that if you know the profit you make is on the expense of other investors, you are no better then the scammer in my eyes.

I never said that you where a scammer, did I?

I believe the definition of 'qoute' is:

Quote:

To quote is to repeat something from another source without changing it (see also: paraphrase).

So next time don't manufacture your quotes to suite your accusations.

And as a side note, ponzi's are scams, so it doesn't matter if you call it ponzi or scam.

Well whizzer, at the end of the day i have been off work with an injured arm for almost 7 months and i have 3 children and a wife to feed so i am not interested in the exact science behind the perfect post i am more interested in finding safe places to make money, as i said before this is the only Hyip that i am involved with and if you took the time to check all the facts on this one you would soon see that it is not your normal Hyip concept and i don't expect many people to lose and in fact the first couple of rounds that lemon and unsaid had with there first Hyip they did partial and full refunds for those that had lost.

This is the last time that i post on Lighthalzen here and i think that you should get rid of this thread and ban all talk of Hyips in this forum as the members are obviously not interested in them and think that anyone involved in them are cheats and scammers!

When i started trying to make money online 7 months ago i spent most of my time in the surfs and then hyips but now i am studying Forex and have around $10,000 invested in three different programs from the Non Hyip Section from very trusted MMG members which are backed by real business.

I totally agree with you that Hyips and surfs are very risky and not very fair to most investors and that is why i support Lighthalzen and lemon and unsaid because they are trying to change it.

Here is an article from NBS blog :

http://hyipblog.nobshyip.net/2007/03/08/li...-sharing-model/

All the best

GP

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 1:47 am

I still don't understand what is so bad about our members trying to seek the real thing!! While we do feel for your misfortune, each of us have to bear our own cross.

Must we participate in all hyips just because they crop up? Or should we graduate into smarter investors and place our funds where the probability of profit is relatively high.

Hyips is not simply about taking risks, it is about taking strategic risks to come up ahead. This is not at all possible if you just roll the dice at each opportunity. Would you enter a casino when it is known that the dice are loaded? No, you might if you were new and unaware of your surroundings. With the ratio of scams to real programs being so high, one must tread with caution, at all times.

It appears that you have inside knowledge which you are not willing to share with us. We do not know who you are, and yet you expect everyone to take your word that some prominent persona from a forum (well, known for the what we aim to avoid) is attempting to do good to all.

We appreciate that this program did not get the warmest of receptions, but every one of you blatantly disregarded the rules, and each time, we let it go.

While the cynicism of our members may take you aback, we are proud that we have an educated member base that questions first and invests later. If you cannot see the benefit to all in this, indeed, there is nothing that will convince you that we are not targeting any particular program.

Levaz

Newbie Joined: 19 Sep 2006 Posts: 8

"While the cynicism of our members may take you aback, we are proud that we have an educated member base that questions first and invests later. If you cannot see the benefit to all in this, indeed, there is nothing that will convince you that we are not targeting any particular program. "

I am proud of my cynicism. It was earned and paid for at great expense in time and money.

I greatly appreciate the efforts Levaz makes in presenting this forum. It is by far the best I have ever run accross, and I am in great admiration of his calmness in dealing with possible manipulators and their manipulations. His manner has all the hallmarks of a potentially EXTREMELY successful investor.

Newbie Joined: 11 Mar 2007 Posts: 6

Hello there,
EDIT: You have been repeated asked not to do that

Lighthalzen Team

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:16 pm

KingOfQueens wrote:

Hello there,
EDIT: You have been repeated asked not to do that

Lighthalzen Team

You blatant disregard to our forum rules only strengthens our members convictions about your support for this program.

Levaz

Newbie Joined: 11 Mar 2007 Posts: 6

Hello there,

EDITED

Lighthalzen Team

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Apprentice Joined: 04 Feb 2007 Posts: 111

Ban him .

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 12:01 pm

gaby wrote:

Ban him .

While that is the easiest answer to this person's behavior, let us see this through to the ground!! When it eventually dies, it would be interesting to see them show up and make some more posts.

Too bad they cannot offer anything constructive to a forum.

Levaz

Newbie Joined: 26 Feb 2007 Posts: 4

levaz wrote:

While that is the easiest answer to this person's behavior, let us see this through to the ground!! When it eventually dies, it would be interesting to see them show up and make some more posts.

Too bad they cannot offer anything constructive to a forum.

Levaz

Hello Levaz, I know you from JP forum - my nick there was noname4me (remember those happy days?).

I quite agree with you, posting "paid" posts and nothing but "paid" post can, and probably will, have a counter-effect.

On the other hand, this program really seems to be something worth of close attention. I believe that it is structured well and has a potential to last rather long.

Also I got the impression that Admins (lemon and unsaid) are serious about this and that thay are honest. I do not know them personally, and I do not have any "inside" info but from what can be read at MMG, they seem to be OK.

I do respect you and your forum and I will refrain from posting in this thread if you have made up your mind that this program does not meet your criteria.

Wishing you all the best

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 1:40 pm

ds2cash wrote:

Hello Levaz, I know you from JP forum - my nick there was noname4me (remember those happy days?).
I quite agree with you, posting "paid" posts and nothing but "paid" post can, and probably will, have a counter-effect.
On the other hand, this program really seems to be something worth of close attention. I believe that it is structured well and has a potential to last rather long.
Also I got the impression that Admins (lemon and unsaid) are serious about this and that thay are honest. I do not know them personally, and I do not have any "inside" info but from what can be read at MMG, they seem to be OK.
I do respect you and your forum and I will refrain from posting in this thread if you have made up your mind that this program does not meet your criteria.
Wishing you all the best

Please do make posts, by all means. What we actively discourage is only "paid" posts. This is part of our forum rules, which have been ignored after repeatedly bringing the fact to the attention of the posters in this thread.

Levaz

Apprentice Joined: 04 Feb 2007 Posts: 111

It is obvious that he is not reading the forum .. all his posts have been edited to comply with the rules.. and still he posts the same thing ..

of course he will not come to post if/when the programs closes...

.. but he is trolling ..

i did not want to come out as harsh .. but he completely disregards the forum rules.. and its reason of existence..

Newbie Joined: 03 May 2007 Posts: 10

Nice to read the posts here. Many interesting post. Very Happy